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It was stupid, unnecessary, and diversionary. That's my personal reaction. And I thought that Jesse was shortsighted in not disassociating himself from that kind of nonsense immediately and persuasively. I didn't see a damn thing that he could have gained.

And he finally had to do it. A week or so later.

Yes. But to me that was too late. I don't see what he was benefiting from any association with Farrakhan. To me he was at best a cult leader, and who got more publicity by his association with Jesse than he had gotten for years prior to that. That's my personal opinion.

Yes, after the assassination of Malcolm X, the Black Muslims sort of dropped out of the media. Or the media dropped coverage of them.

Absolutely. Until Farrakhan latched onto Jesse, and why Jesse felt he needed Farrakhan, I do not know. But again, as I've been telling you, there are a lot of things I don't know.

Have you had the impression that Jesse Jackson himself is at least somewhat anti-Semitic?

People have said that, and I don't know. To be quite