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a friend-- was apparently in his office, Max Rubin, got on the phone and said, “Well, congratulations, and I'm particularly happy that you are now the freshman and that will move me up to being a sophomore on the Board of Regents.” The Regents operate in terms of tenure really and you sit at the Regents' table in terms of your tenure. And I in and that was that, I guess. The NEW YORK TIMES wrote a fine editorial on my election to the Regents.

I do not recall having been elated. I really don't. I had just a general notion of the role and responsibility of the Regents of the State of New York. But it was general. And then I started receiving material with information, and one of the things that struck me about the role of Regents, or the Board of Regents, was that it seemed to me to have an excess amount of power in the area of education. The Regents were constitutionally responsible for education from nursery school up through professions, graduate and professional schools, and the monitoring of all professions, licensing professions, except the legal profession.

Except legal?

Yes, the legal profession.

Includes medical though?

Medical. All professions that require a state license come under the auspices of the Board of Regents. They set standards.