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By this time he was split with his wife, who was more counter-cultural than he was apparently, and he had to decide how to educate his daughter. He looked over the school system, and here with this really, if you will, radicalism, finally decided he wouldn't put her in a city school. He sent her to a parochial school, because he said, that's where she'd get a better education. And I have no knowledge of his religion. I would not think he was a Catholic. Is it true that parochial schools are doing a lot better here in New York City?

Generally I think that would be true. Now the public school apologists have explanations for this. Selectivity. They say that parents who send their children to parochial schools are more highly tivated in terms of the education of their children. Second, that the parochial schools can decide whether to keep a student or not, in terms of many qualities.

I think, by and large, though that parochial schools have maintained up until recently higher academic standards, even if it means rigidity, than the public schools. Now one of the things that the Regents Action” Plan is trying to do is to raise the standards and quality of education and requirements higher in the public schools. It's too early to tell how successful we are going to be, but I would say that in general I'd have to say, from what I see, that the parochial schools have a much smaller percentage of students compared to the public schools. They seem to have higher standards and higher achievement.

To think back, I should tell you the truth. We do have data from