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giving birth to human beings who will either be neglected and become victims of the, or increase the problems of the past, or will find some way of reversing this negative process. I don't know about--again, I'm telling you all the things I'm not. I'm not a demographer. [laughter] I do read and listen to the increased percentage of single parent families among blacks, absent fathers, teenage pregnancies, all of these things. When I read those things, again, I say to myself, “I see these as symptoms not causes of anything.” When I say that all I do is give grist to the mill of my critics who said, “Look, that's pie, don't pay any attention to that, pie-eyed, starry-eyed humanist, liberal,” all these negative terms.

Let me come back to role models in other areas, though, and after that I have an op-ed piece that you wrote for the New York Times, published April 2, 1980.

You went that far back? [laughter]

Dr. Clark, I've kept a running file on you for some years.

[laughs]

And you see the rigidities of my submissions.

It's selective. It's not complete, of course. I would hope the New York Times has something far more complete.