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1980 titled, “For Blacks' ‘Two-ness'.” You wrote this with Lawrence--

Plotkin.

Who, at least at the time, was professor of psychology at the City College.

Yes, and a colleague of mine here.

A colleague of yours here.

Right.

One of the terms you've used here is bi-focalism. You use it early in the piece, and you even conclude with it. But, let me make some reference here to how you led into this when you're quoting somebody, a black social scientist who's apparently not identified here who is watching his thirteen year old grandson--

It was I.

Oh, it was you!

Yes.

Oh!