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obvious or clearly more for black children. People just don't believe they can learn. They're seen as educationally expendable and the state in restricting the resources for upgrading their education is in effect quietly saying the same thing that, “It's sort of a triarch. You know, why spend a lot of money for black children's education when they are inferior?” I tell you, that's interesting, it's interesting[?] to see. It's like saying, “Why spend money to cure disease when people already have the disease?”

Was the case before the court where you testified, was that--do I understand correctly, that was Bradley v. Robb?

Bradley v. Robb, yes.

Who is Bradley?

Bradley is a plaintiff. One of the plaintiffs, and the by the way, in that Bradley v. Robb case the Board of Education for Richmond is also a plaintiff against the state.

So, it's actually against the state but it's in the name of the governor, Governor Robb.

Oh, yes. Yes, Robb, and us, the state Department of Education. Robb et al.

Essentially, what's the burden of the case?