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Well, on the basis of my past.

Past, going back to--

Brown.

The studies that you and also your wife did that played a part in the 1954 decision.

Absolutely, absolutely. By the way, my testimony in the Prince Edward County case was in that same building. 1951, 1952. I said that and the judge laughed. You know, it's an ironic pattern. Here, more than thirty years after Brown and you look at those data in Richmond which are not peculiar to Richmond, you have more segregated schools than you had before Brown, though at least in Richmond in the 1950s and 1920s you had some white schools. You practically have no white schools in the city.

Incidentally, am I correct, Richmond has a black mayor?

I think so, yes.

I have a side bar question on the educational deprivation that we were talking about. Some time ago there was a businessman here in New York City, it may have been last--well, it had to be some years ago. He was asked to speak before--what was it, junior high school graduating class, or sixth grade graduating class?