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I must tell you I have not looked at this systematically, carefully. My general impression is that they probably do as good if not better job than any other type of training program. For one thing, they do have the structure. They do have the Army hierarchical approach to what are responsibilities and requirements. My feeling is that they do, given that, plus their practical needs, they could probably have as effective, if not more effective training program. Now, what I'd like to do is to see that tied in to academic, you know, reading, writing, mathematics, which I think the Army could do very efficiently. During World War II they probably had the most successful reading training program anywhere. But again, because they really have the structure to do so.

To come to another aspect in integration. You've mentioned the police in Cleveland. Time magazine, February 18, 1985, in it's Law section, did a piece entitled, “The New Black Police Chiefs” which indicates that in recent years there've been a marked increase, not commensurate with the black population in some of these areas, but nonetheless really up from nothing at one time. Have you looked in to that aspect at all where blacks have risen to the head of police departments in New York City now--

Newark.

Philadelphia, Newark, Los Angeles.