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He also had hope of some moral re-awakening among the American
Well, that was really Martin who put more weight on the
conscience, moral awakening. Martin really believed that people had
a moral core which, if properly tapped, could make the difference,
I want to ask you a follow up question on your relationship with
the Joint Center for Political Studies in Washington. In an earlier
interview you said that it proved a certain value, at least as a
repository for assembling information and analysis. Were you a
co-founder of that?
Did you then leave it?
Well, I was head of the Metropolitan Applied Research Center
and we developed it out of the Metropolitan Applied Research Center
but I felt that it should operate on its own. I stayed on as a
member of the Board of Governors of the Joint Center up until last
year. I left because I didn't see any particular function that I
could perform. It was functioning on its own. It had the routine.
Now, do I understand correctly that the Joint Center did some
polling in certain black communities, possibly including Harlem but
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