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Indians broke off and formed St. Luke's Church. My mother, as usual, was a part of the dissenting principle grou p.

Do you remember what year that was?

Early twenties, I'd say about '23, '24. And the church became a part of our life, really. She had me as an altar boy when I was six. I can tell you what the year was, because I was six years old when I became an altar boy. That was about 1921.

Very soon after you arrived here, then.

Right.

You would not have been aware, however, at the time of the founding, that there was this cleavage between West Indians and --?

No. I learned that as I grew older, you know, in St. Luke's, and learned about the history of St. Luke's, learned this. She insisted that I serve on that altar, with Dean Dixon as my partner, till we were sixteen. In fact, one of the reasons I didn't want to go to college in New York City was because I knew if I stayed home and went to college, my mother would want me to continue serving on that altar, and I was damn sick and tired of it.

Actually this was a weekly affair, then, every Sunday?

No, no, because you'd have to rehearse on Friday, and -- oh, my mother had me in that church three times during the week, it seemed to me. And I complained. But the interesting thing about our family is that we would complain with humor. My sister and I and our