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Oh, my goodness, yes. How did you happen to ask that question? Was there anything that you read that --?

No, I'm just matching up with the years. You were in Harlem.

Well, you know, my mother is quite an ardent follower of Marcus Garvey, and would take -- I think would take me, not my sister, to Unity Hall, to hear Mr. Garvey. And I remember seeing him up on the stage, and I remember going to sleep.

I thought he had a little more charisma than that.

Well, for a youngster, you know -- yeah, I remember going to sleep almost every time she took me there. But she was an ardent follower. In fact, she even bought some of his bonds or stocks.

That was the bond for the ship.?

Yes. And even after the thing was bankrupt, she didn't seem particularly bitter about it.

My mother was always involved in things that she thought were contributing to the betterment of her people. Occasionally she would become disillusioned, as in the case of the ILGWU. She became rather bitterly disillusioned about that, after her early enthusiasm. I remember, she was a very enthusiastic union member, in the early days of the union, you know. In fact, that was the first social issue involvement that I personally recall, you know, being identified with my mother as she would tell us about the efforts to organize the workers in the factories. And I thought this was great, terrific.

About what years?