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entrepreneurish -- but again, there's a positive spillover. And the earlier limited competitiveness and resentment seem to me to be giving way, or this may be wishful thinking on my part. Giving way to a more mature and realistic cooperativeness, so that West Indians and American blacks now seem more able to joke about their competitiveness.

I know people who have come here, including Percy Sutton, and say, “Oh, I should have known you have West Indian background,” you know. And as far as I can sense, no hostility involved, you know, just, now we're getting to the point where we see-- “All right, damn it...

The West Indians have contributed something, in spite of whatever their frailties are, and the Lord knows, my mother's right, they do have their share of human frailties, not the least of which is maybe exaggerated ego or some sort of paranoia about how great they are.

But in spite of these, they are working together with American blacks, and forging, at least in the area of politics, and economics, and maybe to a lesser extend in educational advancement areas, a solid basis for racial progress in America.

Now, that may be sheer wishful thinking, but I doubt that it's just that. I mean, I think I see maturity in this concern.

Maybe this would be a good point to bring in the question of what brought about your trip to Jamaica and your year there. I think you said you were eight or nine.

Eight or nine, yes.

And what you recall of your observations of this new environment.

My mother and grandmother, I think, just decided that