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presidential address, I tried to come back to it, but with people totally misunderstanding, and being horrified all over the world, at my suggestion that there might be psychopharmacological intervention to assure justice and decency among human beings. It was probably the most misunderstood idea I have ever communicated.

You're talking about your presidental address, when you became president of the American --

-- the American Psychological Association. You don't give the address until you're leaving things.

But actually, anyone who knew me -- certainly Dr. Sumner, if he were alive, would have seen the relationship between the main idea of that address, and my earlier interest in neurophysiology.

Do I recall correctly, that that was a front page story in the NEW YORK TIMES?

Oh, my God! Not only in the NEW YORK TIMES. I don't -- you know, all over the world. And the only people who seemed to have understood what I was trying to say there were the people at the Pasteur Institute in France. As a result of that, (B.F.) Skinner and I became very good friends.

Well, perhaps we should put in the record here, what was the subject of your master's thesis, and also your PhD dissertation?

My master's thesis had something to do with attitudes, I think attitudes towards parents. I don't remember that. I remember my wife's master's thesis much more vivddly, because it had to do with research