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In fact, I don't remember -- I don't remember seeing, or for that matter even hearing of any black teachers, while I was at George Washington, between 1928 and 1931.

So, when my friend and teacher who was the medical student at Howard told me about Howard as a place that was vibrant and active, and she really was a walking PR person for Howard, and said that it was headed by blacks, I started my campaign of telling my mother, that's the school I wanted to go to.

I suppose it was sort of insensitive on my part, because City College is right there, above the Park, and free, and I suppose I could have gotten into City College. But it was not part of the discussion about going to college, you know. I never raised going to City College with my mother, and she never raised it with me. In fact, when I told her that I wanted to go to Howard, it was not a point of discussion. What was discussed was how, not whether.

And I think -- looking back, it seems to me somewhat insensitive on my part, not to be more concerned about the fact that if I went to Howard, it would be a financial burden that would be greater than if I had gone to one of the -- to City College.

But this, again, just tells you the kind of person my mother was. From that point on, she then just started planning and saving, and it was just sort of assumed that I was going to go to Howard, For a year before, she started getting clothes for me to go away to college. She got a trunk, and we filled the trunk with shirts and underwear and what not, that I didn't wear that last year, but was storing up for college.