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even when I was young, which must have meant that there must have been something wrong with my hormones or something. I just -- I didn't want to be condescended to.

Could you explain just how they condescended, a little more?

They knew best what was good for me. That, to me, was condescension, you know. And they were insensitive enough to just spew out all of this, and I should be grateful that they were talking about my problem and had the answer to my problem. And I just didn't think they had the answer.

For example, self-determination in the Black Belt, which was their major slogan while I was in college -- you know, that means that blacks would be in the Southern part of the United States, they would have political control, they would have economic control, and this was their idea of justice. This was my idea of segregation.

And it was clear to me that they wanted to call the shots.

One of my problems, then and still, is that I have no loyalties. You know, from the first time I started arguing with my mother about the church, I never found anything that I could uncritically accept, and be unquestionably loyal to. And I knew that Iwould have trouble with those people, because I didn't like them.

After I got to City College, and, you know, the anti-Communist hysteria in the McCarthy days -- I didn't like that either. But again, the accident, you know. And I guess, I don't know whether the word is “accident” or not -- there must have been determinants of my perversity -- but I could speak out against McCarthyism