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Dr. Clark, when we were finishing the last interview, you really gave an introduction to HARYOU -ACT and the dispute that arose around it, particularly in reference to Adam Clayton Powell, and also the other organization that was going to come into being. I don't think there was much detail on that. You said you wanted to go into detail, with names and times and so forth, on just what did occur during that period.

This is after the writing of the report, YOUTH IN THE GHETTO.

Yes. You'd begun recounting conversations with Adam Powell. He phoned you, I believe you said, and it had to do with the appropriations. He pointed out how he would use his Congressional influence. And suggested that you just had to go along, and I believe that he also said that if he chose to make Ray Jones quite powerless, he was in a position to do so.

No. He said that Ray Jones was in fact powerless.