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like this into any community unless you are in total control of it,” said Adam to me -- meaning that it was clear to him, after reading this document, that he had to be in control, not only in terms of the pork barrel aspect, but in terms of the social and political implications of having people organize to fight for their own destiny, etc. It was clear to Adam that the people had to be dependent upon him, to have him fight for their destiny, so that he would be re-elected over and over again.

So that was the nature of our discussion, and in all objectivity I must say that I was on the defensive, in terms of the way in which Adam placed the tough, hard realities of our system before me. And he really wasn't condescending -- yeah, I guess it was condescension. But it was condescension with justification, in terms of, he was trying to educate me to contemporary political realism, and I was bullheaded, and was trying to say, “Adam, no, you're wrong.” You know,” fight for the independence of this, use your power to make it work, and this will be a monument to you --”

And I think I even said, “Look, I will say: ‘Adam is the person who is making this thing real for us.’”

“Nope, nope, nope.”

So the last face to face discussion was in his office in Washington. Beautiful office. And it was by no means hostile. You know. We weren't going at each other hammer and tongs. We were sitting down -- by the way, he was a gentleman, and he interjected humor and what not. I remember, I was down for Howard University's board of directors meeting, and I was telling him a little bit about the

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