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that time. And I thought so, not only in terms of the specific issue that was before us, namely Hoover and Martin, but I saw Hoover as a danger to American democracy generally, and if there was anybody who could contain that danger at that time, it was Martin.

But I couldn't get that point over. That's my problem, I never, in a group like that, I stumble over my ideas, you know, and I can't communicate them with the simple directness that more successful people in group discussions can. I get involuted--I mean, one idea gets involved with some number of other ideas and what not, and by the time I try to untangle them, the decision is being made on more simple grounds.

Another example of the attempt to be self-critical -- which does not mean that I'll change.

Going back to your work with Foreign Service operations, studies -- were you aware at the time you were looking into this problem of bringing in minorities, so few of them could possibly pass this very tough examination --

--and not necessarily relevant to the task, by the way.

-- that the Foreign Service had at times, or at least at one time, to my knowledge, brought persons into the career service without putting them through the written exam/?

-- sure --

-- but putting them through another kind of an oral?