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Dr. Clark, at the close of the last interview, you were discussing the American Psychological Association. Also mention was made of “the group” that you said was still in existence. Maybe, to maintain continuity, you'd like to elaborate upon what the Group was, and what you wrote in your book DARK GHETTO, and how it emerged up to the present time. Your book is over ten years old.

Yet you have to remind me that my book is over ten years old, and I have another one that I've been working on for the last six or seven years, and I don't see it coming out for another year or two. So I'm very anxious about the book and writing. But I'll get back to the point you raised about The Group.

The Group started at the suggestion of a man who -- another one of those not well known but very important to the general progress and political and social development of blacks in the New York are-- his name was Thomas Benjamin Dyett. He's a man whom I've known for many, many years. He's dead now. He died about two years ago. He was of the type of J. Raymond Jones, only