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or could be somebody I'm intimate with -- that late in the day, one shot of bourbon or my usual Manhattan relieves me of that hostility, whereas so often there are some persons that just should never drink anything because --

-- it increases their hostility --

-- they're ready to start a fight with somebody after the second or third. I just note this, because there's a distinction, you see.

Yes. I must tell you that I'm not insensitive to that. There's practically no drug that we can be, you know, positive will have exactly the same effect on human beings. Almost all drugs have -- there's a norm, that is, most people react a certain way to that, but there are also variations on either extreme, where some people will react the very opposite to the way most people react.

We don't know why. But I'm saying, research would tell us. And once we get the research, it would not only tell us why this happens, but it would also give us clues as to how we can deal with it, how we can see that there are not wide ranges of differences, individual differences, in reactions to a given --

-- and of course, might not this problem be even greater, when you get into the leadership category, where I get the impression, there really isn't too much known about --

-- leaders?

Leaders, persons of power --