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from the American Psychological Association. I can barely get her to keep up her dues.

By the way, I'm not exaggerating this. This is fact. We really do not take the nomination seriously, for the reasons I've given you, plus the fact that I never was one of those psychologists who was involved in the business, you know, the operation of the APA. I pay my dues. If they asked me to do something and I could, I would do it. But there were some psychologists, including my namesake, Kenneth E. Clark, who really was a valuable contributor to the structure and the function and programs of the APA.

I was not one of them. In fact, if one were to have some index of degree of involvement in the Association's business, I'd be in the lowest quintile, or centile, up to that point.

I think, a number of years before, my colleagues in Division 9, Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues, had elected me to the board, and the presidency, and they had given me the Kurt Lewin Memorial Award. But Division 9 was a group of mavericks, you know, as witness their name, the Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues.

By no stretch of the imagination did I consider them, or would most psychologists consider them, representative of the American Psychological Association. Now, I don't believe any group is representative of the American Psychological Association, because there's so many different types of psychologists. But they certainly were not high prestige psychologists, as such, in terms of, you know, distance from social problems.