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There may have been.

Now, did you go right on into graduate work after you graduated from college?

Yes, directly into graduate school.

Where was that?

At Howard. I stayed right there.

Did the graduate studies offeryou any more in the children's field than the undergraduate?

Well, I think so Here you had to do a dissertation, and I did my dissertation in the public schools in Washington, and it was “First Interests in Children and Development of Consciousness of Self,” which was the title of my master's thesis at Howard. So in that sense, you know, it was a much broader exposure. And the experience in the public schools of course was the first time I'd ever had a chance to work with large numbers of children.

Now, you're talking about your dissertation for your Ph D?

No, I'm talking about the master's thesis dissertation.

Did you visit quite a number of schools in Washington to do that

Uh huh. In order to do tht, I had visited about a dozen schools, and finally I was able to work in about six. So that it was a good exposure to the public school system in Washington.