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One child would get it from the other kid?

That's right. That's right. They'd make fun of them.

Well, then isn't it somewhat surprising you got as many volunteers, in effect, as you did?

Yeah. That's true. As I look back on it, that's true. It's surprising.

Was that a fairly stable number of children you had coming there for a while, or did it fluctuate or increase?

Well, of course they increased each year, and for the first year it was a goodly number of children. It was about the most we could handle, you know, with the number of staff hours that we had. It was really the most we could handle.

The main thrust at first then was psychiatric and psychological?

That's right. Definitely psychiatric and psychological at that time.

How did the evolution of these additional services come about?

Well, we had only been operating for a few months, when we got requests from some parents in the public schools, who were distressed because they thought their children were behind mishandled in the schools, and they asked us to do psychological testing, which at that time we could do. We tested a group of children, and we found out that these children were being put into what they called