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which substantiated them, than those which have contradicted them.

As to your giving services, wouldn't the degree of self-hatred, of being black, have something to do with your giving of the services, or doesn't it really matter?

Well, it's part of what you do in the services, really. I mean, you have some children who openly express it.

Youfind out anyway then.

Yes, then you find out, and then you try to help them to understand it, or be more constructive about it. We went through the black period, you know, the dashiki period, and children wanted to learn Swahili. Well, we had to convince them that if they don't know English, their Swahili is not going to help them, because nobody speaks Swahili.

It comes up in various ways, but you deal with it in the way in which it comes up. I mean, you don't provoke it.

Which the doll test would?

Yes. That's right. It provokes it.

In other words, it's possible this feeling is nearly dormant in some children, so there's no point in provoking it. They're better off not to provoke it.

That's right.

In your courses and activities, do you find with painting, finger