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Foundation, as a program officer. I had gone to Bob earlier to get $10,000 for the Fink and Greenberg history of 1199. I said, “Bob, I've got to meet with you.” I sit down with him and I tell him about Bread and Roses. He says, “It's much too big. You can't do it. Pipe dream.” I said, “Bob I'm telling you -- it can be done. I know how to do it. I need help, I need support.” He says, “What kind of help?” I said, “I need foundations -- I don't know my way around.” He says, “Okay.”

You hadn't done any significant foundation fund raising up until that point?

I didn't know what a foundation was. I didn't know anything about foundations or how they worked. Bob says, “There's a guy Jack Coleman” -- good friend of mine, good guy. He had been the president of, not Tufts -- Tufts? Maybe Tufts. He's the guy --

Haverford.

Haverford. You know who he was.

The guy who took a year off and became a worker or something.

That's right. He's now the head of -- he has been for a long time -- the head of the Edna McConnell Clark Foundation. Big foundation. He's a very sharp guy. So he arranges a lunch meeting with him and me. He says, “Moe, tell him what you have in mind.” So I spell out Bread and Roses. First thing he says to me, “Is this a two year project?” I says, “Yes.” He says, “If you can do fifty percent of this in two years, it's a miracle.” Later on I went back to him after it was over and I said, “We didn't do fifty percent. We did 125 percent!” Then he says, “I have a suggestion. On the lectures on Dr. King, they should be dialogues. They should be interviews. You shouldn't have a speech. You've got to get the best interviewers in the business. You've got Andy Young, you've got to get the best interviewer who will interview Andy Young. That's the program. People will listen to him speak in response to an interviewer.” So I said, “Who is the best interviewer?” He says, “Bill Moyers.” So I said, “How do you get Bill Moyers?” He says, “I don't know.” So I remember that the guy I met at that party from Westbury, he's a friend of Bill Moyers. So I call him up and he says, “I'll speak to Bill.” He calls me back, he says, “Bill is interested, and he wants you to call him.” Bill Moyers knows of me. You know, 1199, people know of you no matter what you think.

Especially a guy like him, who's a sharp guy.