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then outside the gallery posing for us and for Mark Levin to interview her. When she was finished she said to me, “Look Moe, anything I can do to help Bread and Roses, just ask me.” She said, “I'm going back to California and to see if I can't do something like this in California.” The next time I saw her -- she came to New York with Tom and they were touring, and they came to speak at the 1199 Delegates Assembly. That's where we filmed her doing the poem, “Bread and Roses.” I remember they took a room in the hotel where the meeting was, and I went up to get them down and she said to me, “Aww. Look at all the trouble you cause me.” She said, “When I went back, I tried to get on to the California Arts Council, and that started that whole business again. [laughs] All this trouble because I try to do something for Bread and Roses.”

The show was very very successful. Members -- everybody liked it. It was a high quality night. It was the subject of good coverage. Gene Thornton, the Times photography critic, was told early. He was going to come to see it and never did. But, at the end of the year when he picked the ten best shows of the year, he picked this show. He said, “My regret is that I did not review it.” Now that was quite a thing to get one of the ten best shows of the year in the art gallery, which by this time was beginning to be reviewed as a gallery.

The next major exhibition was The Working American. That was an exhibition that was planned for a long time, because that was original paintings of American workers form 1850 to 1950. There was a curator -- who was replaced because she had problems completing the job, and I brought in someone else to finish it off. Sites -- Smithsonian. That was the beginning of our relationship with Smithsonian. Smithsonian was interested and agreed to tour that exhibition. So for the first time we now had an exhibition that was going to tour through the Smithsonian Institution -- with a catalog, with color reproductions, and with a discussion guide. For all of that kind of stuff, which would get very good reviews in all of the press -- including a sixteen page feature in American Heritage with full page photographs, which is beautiful. The interesting thing about that exhibition, among other things, was that it was visited by some people from abroad -- two countries. One happened to be in the country visiting with me at the time that was on, and they were impressed.

It was on at what time?

Some time in 1979. Which month, I can't remember. It's easy to find out.