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excited and he's saying, “Oh, your mother testified on this.” Suddenly he said, “Is there another Carmela Teoli?” “No!” “Didn't she tell you about how she got scalped?” “She didn't tell me that, but I used to every morning comb my mother's hair to hide the scar. I put it in a bun to hide it.” He then took her the next day to Andover, and showed her the transcript of the hearings. She read it. This is in the article. She says, “Now we have a history. Now my son has a past.” That's the article. There's a box in the article that says “At this time, this month, an exhibition of paintings of Lawrence by Ralph Fasanella is being shown -- not in our gallery, this is before, way before -- being shown in this gallery. Ralph Fasanella's work has deepened my understanding of this issue.”

I then called Paul and said, “I'm going to do this book. Would you write the essay?” I went to Sol Stetin. I got money from him. I said, “Sol, you write the preface.” [laughs] Because he had a foundation from the textile workers. He loved this stuff. He used to come and listen to me.

Sol had genuine feeling for the labor movement.

He continues to work in Passaic. God knows what. But he was a very nice guy. I just knew him towards the end -- he became close to me. We're very fond of each other. You know, whenever I wanted something I'd call him. He'd say, “Moe Foner, anything you want.” But anyway.

So Paul says, “I have to go back to do some more interviewing.” I now have a go ahead on all of these things. I'm now trying to find a publisher for the book. I meet Jeanne Stellman on a picket line at St. Patrick's Cathedral. You sure I haven't told you this story?

You told me the Jeanne Stellman part of it. You told me the part about Bill Cahn and sending out the mimeographed copies to all the labor leaders. But you haven't told the Paul Cowan part.

Okay. So you know about that. We got a publisher -- Pilgrim Press. By this time Paul and I are very close. Paul comes back from Lawrence one day, and he says to me, “Moe, strange things are happening in Lawrence.” I said, “What do you mean?” He said, “When I went to Lawrence, I found that someone” -- Iggy Piscatello, a lawyer -- “is the head of a Lawrence Historical Society,” who Ralph knew, because Ralph had spent a couple of years in Lawrence living in a Y[MCA]. That Iggy Piscatello and another woman -- Iggy's parents had worked in the mills, had been in the strike -- and Iggy later told how he had, when he was going to school, he was in the library one night.