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it at meetings and people loved it. Obviously our members are going
to love it because it's about them. Why shouldn't they? You know, it's
all about them. But I remember showing it at a meeting of SEIU. There
were a lot of workers in the audience but they were, stewards and that
kind of thing. I tell you there were sections of that documentary where
there wasn't a dry eye in the house, they were so moved by it.
So, I don't know how to sum up this thing. It has its place, that's all I
can say. It's not the end. I tell you this, it would be very very difficult
to replicate Bread and Roses again in the future.
First of all it's terribly expensive, it set such a standard of
quality. Second of all, I don't see an administration coming in to power
that would encourage this kind of thing.
In the hospital workers' union.
I don't mean in the hospital workers union, I mean in the
government, in Washington, to help it with funds. I don't see a labor
movement that -- there are many reasons for that. It's expensive and
labor has its own emphasis. BUt with labor talking about new
directions and new things, that's an area that they ought to think
about. They don't have to do a grandiose thing, but they ought to
think about doing certain things in it. The problem they have -- you
always have this when you get to culture -- you invariably end up with
stuff that begins to challenge them.
Because the left has always played such a leading role in culture.
I have a theory.
By the way, one of the things that's happened in labor is film.
But here too there was a difference of opinion! The outfit that's in
Washington that's part of the AFL-CIO --
The arm of the AFL-CIO that puts out the films and the t.v., you know
them. We had a run-in with them. Larry Kirkman, K-I-R-K-M-A-N.
Larry Kirkman called me and he said, “I'd like to meet with you. I hear
you've done some things in this field and I'm meeting with everybody
to find out what to do.” Now Larry Kirkman came from professional
work. He had been in Washington, he had been around the country in
professional working film and television. But he made it clear to me
right at the beginning, “We're not interested in making a labor
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