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Australia, just through letters and exchanging of material through what's his name, the husband of the person at the Labor Institute, Sydney's husband.

Philip Frazier.

Philip Frazier comes from Australia. He told me who to write to. I also found people in Australia through Mary Travers. Many years ago Mary Travers called me up and she said, “There's a member of the Parliament, his name is Cohen, from Australia. He's very much interested. He's a labor member, I told him I would have him come to meet you.” So he came to meet with me. One day I went to -- remember when we had Peter, Paul, and Mary? I said, “What happened to Cohen?” He's the minister of culture! He said, “I'm going to write to her.”

What other countries? England, through Clive Jenkins and the guy who was until recently -- Norman Willis, he's the president of the TUC, but he's no longer. He was at that time -- put down a question mark, I'll find this. I have it in my book. He was at that time the education director. He came and he saw the stuff and he wanted it. At the beginning Clive Jenkins came here, and the next thing you know the British Trade Union Congress was organizing an annual Bread and Roses conference and concert at one of the big theaters, with the big rock bands! Earl Dotter's photographs and our posters all over things, called Bread and Roses. So there's that kind of thing.

West Germany, same thing. When I went to West Germany with my wife -- who was lecturing there at a conference, and I went because The Other America exhibition, in preparing it they had contacted me and I'd given them a lot of stuff and a lot of sources -- the guy said, “If you're coming, we'll tour you around for a week to meet with union people.” They finally arranged for me to get in to one of the big museums where the director of the museum was a fantastic guy, who said, “Look I have a half hour on my schedule.” After a half hour he called in his secretary and said, “Cancel everything for the rest of the day.” Then we were meeting all day.

He took me to a city, Oberhausen, because he had curated an exhibition on the rise of Hitler. It was a very very controversial exhibition. It was on the rise of Hitler, Hitler coming to power in Germany, on the anniversary at that time -- it was a few years ago. What he was emphasizing was his attack on the left, attack on the communists, that kind of thing. He had all the documents there. I'll give you the catalogue. He wanted me to see if I could bring it to this