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television, it's all things -- we're doing interviews on radio and television. It's good. It's not the decisive thing, but it's the first break in the infallibility of Turner. The credibility of Turner is beginning to get shaken, and they are getting very upset. By the time she answers in the media, she's already answering with Gil Noble. When we find out that Gil Noble is doing it, she's agreed to do it, so you've got to have him (Dave White) on too! He says, “Okay.” I said, “How you going to do it?” He says, “I'm going to do them separately. She doesn't want to be on with him.” That was to come up later in the election campaign with me and Gil Noble. You remember that -- ask me about that. That was a very decisive thing that happened there. Lucky for us.

Anyway, she's attacking him as a communist, used to be a communist. “He used to be on my side but he's really with them, and he was like a double agent. I don't know. Why is he doing it? I don't know, but he's driving around in a new Cadillac.” He has a ten year old Cadillac. We expected that kind of thing, because she didn't know how to answer the thing. We kept pushing, we tried to keep it alive. Ask her -- is she prepared to sign an affidavit? Will she go down to the Department of Labor and give an affidavit? She skirts that thing. Finally, when Gil Noble asks her he says, “Why don't you sign an affidavit?” “Nobody's asked me.” Alright. I was looking at the tapes again, the videotapes, to refresh my mind, just to recap the whole period -- not for this, but before.

So that happens, and then it has influence among the members. Then we get Ed Lane. David calls me and says, “I got another one.” So I meet with Ed Lane. He's not that important, but it's confirmation, it's corroboration, it's another. So we do another round on it. So the election, with the five percent. The five percent is beginning to become a problem in the union.

Because it's already five months.

It's already five months, it's six months, and every month goes by -- what happened to the five percent? Where is the five percent, the missing five percent? I'm preparing memos for reporters on the missing five percent. Turner's credibility, with quotes on the five percent in the paper. What she did, and where is it? How much are the members owed? All that. We keep building that. The five percent is the major thing.

The other thing that begins to happen during this early period -- March, by March -- is that the grievances pile up, and there are already 1,000 grievances unresolved. There were lay-offs, and members have generally come to the conclusion that the union is very,