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He comes out Wednesday. And the Post. I called somebody on the Post -- I forget his name, I have his name in my book. He was the health guy. [tape stops and starts] Joe Nicholson of the Post came up here, he was the last one to get it. He came up, he read it, he listened to it, and he said, “I'm going to call Turner right away.” I said, “Wait a minute. It's not for release until Tuesday.” He says, “Well, okay.” I begin to think that the Post with deadlines is not exactly so scrupulous. On the weekend he's calling me. He says, “I'm still trying to reach Turner.” Then on Saturday night he calls me and he says, “Moe, you have a choice now. If I adhere to your deadline, ain't going to be nothing in the Post. Tuesday, you know, we're going to be crowded. However, if I got in on Monday -- we've already taken pictures of David White. If we got in on Monday, you know, we might have a picture and it's a big story. But Tuesday.” “No, you've got to stay on Tuesday.” By Sunday, I made a decision. I called Bob and made a decision. I'm going to tell him, “Okay. I'll fight my way through with the other guys. I'll double talk my way through. I'll call them.” I said, “Okay, go.” He says, “I was going to go anyway!” [laughs]

On Monday afternoon, when the Post was out, it was all over the hospitals. Serrin started screaming. He says, “You know the Post. You can't believe them on anything. Not only that, but you told me specifically, when I spoke to you about the Post, that they break deadlines, you said, ‘Who cares about the Post? We don't care about the Post.’” But Serrin was doing much more. Serrin wanted more confirmation, and we were able to give him three other confirmations with the understanding that they would not be identified. They weren't prepared to publicly break. So he had all the -- and you have this “Doris Turner can't be reached for comment.” Serrin wraps in the whole background, everybody's starting to do big things! I remember Conason did a full page with a big picture. Then television!

Serrin did a pretty long story, too.

Everybody did a long story! But television was breaking it. Television was breaking it right after the Post. I said, “David, you've got to be available.” So all the channels were jumping on it. There was Milton Lewis at Channel 7 standing in front of headquarters, “Doris Turner is not available for comment, but her aid Bob Carroll has a statement.” So that was going on all week on that.

It was the second or third week, or first week, of January?

About January 7th, something like that. Early January. El Diario is big. The Amsterdam News has got it, and City Sun is blazing. Radio,