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But what I'm interested in, was high school somehow a different
experience or a new experience?
High school was basketball to me. I did very little homework.
I think I learned very little there because I was not interested in
studying. I can't tell to this day whether it was, I'm reacting to my
brothers by blocking out things or what, but I was not a very good
Do you remember any particular academic experiences that were
in some way humiliating? Teachers making fun?
No, no. What I do remember is this: I invariably would sit in
the back of the room, and I could not see the black board. My eyes
were terrible. I was nearsighted, and I had to copy off what the
homework was when they'd write what the homework assignment
was. But the idea that I should wear glasses, you know, sissies wear
glasses. So I went for many years without seeing what was happening
until I went -- this probably is true of a lot of people. It's not because
they didn't want to get glasses, but the idea of glasses was a sort of a
humiliating sissy kind of experience.
And so your main interest was basketball. And you played what
In high school I was a center. I was 5'10”. I was very tall. I
was very tall for my age. No, because we didn't have a very good
But did you play all around the city with different teams?
Yes, we played all high schools. In the second year I was the
captain. I wasn't a great basketball player, but I was a good, steady -
- you know, those were the days when the scores were like 14-12, you
know. You scored six points a game, you were a high scorer. Ten
points, you were really ready to go anyplace.
Did you play schools from black neighborhoods?
Well, I don't recall neighborhoods being that black at that
time. The only neighborhood that was black that we played was Boys’
It even then was black?
It had whites on the team, but it had blacks on the team, too.
But that's the only neighborhood I know. Hamilton had some blacks
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