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But a fair number of volunteers supplement it.

A number of volunteers, including one person who volunteers regularly, not merely to do clerical work but takes on a project very, very --

Anne.

Anne --

Newman-Bacal?

Anne Newman-Bacal, who came to us in an interesting way, which I don't have time for now, but Anne Newman-Bacal is a very gifted person, and she sees Bread and Roses as the kind of project she wants to devote her time to. So she spends three, four days a week working on a project -- she worked almost full time on “Forty Years of 1199.” She's a key aide with Esther on the Unseen America exhibit.

I interrupted you, and you were just finishing up about the committees.

The committees have increased in recent months, in the year, with the help of Bill Johnson and Esther, and Bill is setting up committees in every major hospital, whom he meets with to discuss programs to bring there, get them here to the cafe, etc., and it's working. It's a good sign for the future, because I think it's another indication of Bread and Roses becoming very integrated into the life of the union, and vice versa.

You mentioned Unseen America.

Unseen America is going to be, I think, one of our biggest and best projects. It's an idea that Esther had. We have in this country, in this city, people who you don't see, who do the work, who do all that's necessary, but they're behind the scenes.

You don't see them in the media.

You don't see them in the media. In the political campaigns, nobody asks them what they think. They're there, but nobody looks at them, and yet they perform important work that makes the society go. They can be either our hospital workers, who in many cases a patient may remember the name of the doctor but will never remember the name of the person who cared for them.

It could be people who came here from other countries to try to make a living here. They may be people who came from Russia, from Serbia,