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We got her into television. You know, some of these things sort of come with the territory in the sense, you get a rally of 10,000 people out there, the press all over the place, all you have to do is be able to reach them, to urge, “Let's get them to interview her. Let's get them to interview these people.”

So part of the trick is, once the press is there, to have people assembled who can tell their own story.

Who can tell the story and speak like workers, you know, courteous but determined.

Forceful.

Right.

Now, did [Gerald] McEntee speak?

McEntee spoke, yes, he did. He was the president of AFSCME. He came in to speak at it. He made a very effective speech.

Now, what was the result of that 1991 [cross talk]

Well, I think I gave you the contract terms. I think I've stated them.

That's the big raise, the --

Pension fund, every other weekend off, etc., and beginning to feel that they're part of a strong union.

Now, in that campaign, both '87 and '91, we worked with 1707.

Yes.

There have been accusations against 1199, that it has had a tendency to go it alone. This doesn't seem to be one of those instances. But what's your general feeling about 1199's ability over the years, our willingness to work in cooperation with other elements of labor?

At different periods it's different. For example, if it's a period when we feel that the Central Labor Council is not doing anything effective, we would not get overly involved --

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