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At union headquarters.

Yes. This television channel has selected, the producer, one of our members from Beth Israel who they are filming him at work, at his home, in the gallery, and one other place, and interviewing him, and it will be a piece that will run on Metro television.

And what channel is that?

That's an access channel. We don't have the exact date, but as soon as we know, we're going to get the word out. They're also doing another piece --

How did that come about?

Esther Cohen. She's a remarkable person.

She's the creative director.

She's the creative director.

For Bread and Roses.

Knows people who know people, and we got to this person through her, and this person became very interested, and she's the head of the channel. So she did that. She's doing another work. And she's also doing a half-hour television program on Bread and Roses following, you know, every different project we've got to be there, and it'll end up as a twenty-six-minute TV program available to the public.

Since I spoke with you, we have developed -- Esther met on Saturday morning with somebody from the Steel Union's Institute on Education. It's an organization that they set up that has resulted in the publication of books of work by steel workers, poetry, prose. He was here on Saturday, met with Esther, learned about Unseen America, and said he's going to go back to Pittsburgh and arrange that in the steel union they will set up workshops similar to ours about steel workers.

Similarly, at the meeting was Molly Ivins, who's a friend of his, and Molly Ivins got excited about Unseen America and said that when she goes back to Texas, she wants to organize workshops on Unseen America through unions and other groups she deals with. Another person from Canada wants to do it, and the way I know it's legitimate is that J.J. Johnson's wife works for this guy from the steel workers and told me that everything he said he can do.

J.J. Johnson is the editor of --