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should say we can't have her, or, no, someone said, “Maybe we can't have her.” Dennis said, “I don't think it's going to work.”

I said, “We can't have an empty chair there. We've got to have her there. You just demand --“ and then I demanded with the TV, Gil Noble, that they not be interviewed together.

I think this is covered in the earlier oral history.

Yes. Okay.

You did want to fill in some gaps which you said you left in our last week's conversation about Bread and Roses.

Yes. All right. Let me try to remember them. First of all, I didn't give you a name that you can get, and I wrote it down but I don't see it. Hold on. It's Idalijsa. She's the woman who did “Latina Women of Hope.” Is that important?

The photographer. Her first name was --

Idalijsa les Lepiorz.

She was the photographer for the twelve --

And also with the video.

For Latina Women of Hope poster series.

Okay. Also that the woman who did the poster, you know, the one that's inside 1199 News -- not her. She did a poster for us, and I don't know which one. She didn't do the one in 1199 News. But I don't know if I spoke about her.

I don't remember.

She's done posters for us.

Okay. Now I wanted to update you on a few things in Bread and Roses since we met. Since we met a week ago, here are some of the things that have happened with Bread and Roses, particularly on our project of Unseen America. Number one, today a camera crew for television is following -- tonight or tomorrow is the opening of the exhibition of members' art.

At Gallery 1199?

At Gallery 1199, art by members.