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A group of people. I don't know what kind of publishing venture. At that time there were a lot of publishing ventures that came up. There was a Friday magazine that came out every Friday. Dan Gilmor was the editor, a brilliant editor, and it had a color cover, magazine format. This is the period of Life magazine. And so obviously the left had sources of funds, and people went to rich people and got money and tried to make a go of it and obviously couldn't. You can't keep those things going for a long time. It's very hard. Books began to appear. You read everything. So anyway, Spain had this fantastic impact.

Why didn't you go?

I don't even remember even considering going. That's the funny thing. I don't remember considering going, although many other people I know did considering going. Some went and didn't come back. Some college teachers went and were killed in Spain, Chick Chaiken, Ralph Wardlaw, Jack Freedman from City College. Now, after forty-odd years, there is a plaque at City College with the names of the students and faculty members who were killed in Spain.

They interviewed Chick Chaiken's wife in “The Good Fight,” the movie.

I remember, yes, that's right. Yes. I don't know why I didn't go. It never occurred to me.

What other kinds of activities did you do in relationship to Spain?

Raising money, going to meetings, picketing, demonstrating, that kind of thing, and talking to people. It was the thing. It was what covered your life at that time for a couple years until you saw it going down the drain. It was very hard to come to grips with that. That's why Del Vayo, all of us have -- Del Vayo was the last foreign minister of the Spanish republic, J. Alvarez Del Vayo. And some of these things stayed with us forever. Joe Cadden, who I mentioned, was a good friend of mine, and our friendship, you know, we knew each other and we did certain things together, but then we became much friendlier, he was interested in Spain, he had been in Spain. I remember I was at that time in 1199, but we were -- I can't even remember what year it was, but whenever Del Vayo, the last foreign minister of the Spanish Republic, would come to the United States, Joe would call me up and say, “Can you invite him to come to speak to your staff?” This was before the organization of hospital workers. It was important for Del Vayo, because he was the foreign minister, he would come from Mexico and go to the U.N. and everybody would pay homage to him