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what others -- but I imagine the socialists had the same approach,
that it was “we or they” and if you did anything different, you
weakened the union, that it was the boss versus the workers. Now,
that creates a lot of problems, because a lot of nonsense and
corruption can fall out because it's “we or they” because that's pretty
much in line with the old communist approach. On the other hand,
there are problems if you don't have that. I've always been in a union
which had a very high sense of discipline and operated almost like a
military operation -- left unions. I guess right unions work that way,
too. This union was for different purposes. They worked the same way.
I think that most unions worked that way.
So, Spain had a tremendous impact.
Spain had an impact on everybody. You know, you saw many
of your friends going off to Spain, and just the stories of Spain, you
followed the battle lines while we were in college. You followed the
battle lines like World War II, you know. I remember things that stand
out in my mind on Spain as Frankie, now dead, Henry, and I going on
the West End subway, which is the BMT that runs in Boro Park, runs
out to Coney Island, Boro Park.
The N train, I think, now, isn't it?
N? Probably. Yes. Going into cars, you know, and as soon as
the doors closed, one of us would make a speech and then we would
walk around with cans. As soon as the doors opened, we'd go in the
next car, and we'd spend a whole night doing that, and weekends
doing that. We had to do something because people were dying in
Spain. Not so much your friends; you did this as the whole question of
internationalism, your feeling for the Spanish worker, the Spanish
people, you know, people who you really didn't know from a hole in
the wall and you attempted to glamorize and to make them into
mountains. People being what they are, they're just plain shnooks,
some of them good, some bad, some better, some worse, but they
were caught in a web that was a terrible tragedy then. You know, this
is the heart of Spain, movies came out, documentaries. I remember
there was a magazine, Photo History. I have some of the copies, put
out maybe four issues. Leo Huberman was one of the people involved
with it, a lot of talent, a lot of talent. It must have been 11 by 13, full
color on cover and maybe center spread. But following the style of Life
magazine, devoted to an issue, the war in Spain, put together all the
pictures and documents there, China, history of labor, wonderful
Who put that out?
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