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Right, right. What was your opinion, if you had any then, of the New Deal?

Great.

The masses will vote for Roosevelt. Do you remember anything in this period about the American Labor Party?

Of course. There's the American Labor Party there. There was an American Labor Party and there were splits in the labor party. There was unity because the unions were in there, in the Labor Party, and Sidney Hillman. But I remember the Labor Party mostly in the neighborhood.

What role did it play?

It was an important political force. I didn't work with it on a day to day, but in elections we worked to help get the vote. Also this is a period when communists were running candidates for City Council and electing them.

Who?

Peter Cacchione in Brooklyn.

Did he run this early?

You have to put a year on these things. Ben Davis, Peter Cacchione. I don't know the year.

1938.

Probably about '38. But then [Mike] Quill is first elected as a labor party candidate for the City Council.

I think we should stop now.

Yes.

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