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When was it that you and they were actually suspended and lost
their jobs, do you remember?
I think it would be around '41, '42.
Well, by '42 already we were Allies.
But it would be '41. I think it's '41.
The date I have was that the Rapp-Coudert Committee turned from
Brooklyn to CCNY in March of 1941.
Yes. All right.
So the suspensions probably followed.
Followed some time thereafter, yes. Then the war came.
First came the invasion.
First came the invasion of the Soviet Union.
I remember I was driving in a car. I was out of town at one of
these summer camps, I think, and I heard the news on the radio.
What was your reaction?
That was a shock. That was a real shock. You think the Soviet
Pact was a shock? Oh! This was a real shock.
In what sense?
Well, first, it was a total surprise. Although if you had read
carefully, you wouldn't have been surprised. But it came as a shock,
and also the question then came up very, very sharply -- could the
Soviet Union stand up? You remember, they had been moving through
like paper, and the question was -- could the Soviet Union stand up?
Could socialism be destroyed now? Was this the end of the Soviet
Union? That obviously presented a problem. But then quickly
thereafter, the change in the political situation in the beginning. Then
you had all of the campaigns for Russian War Relief and all that kind of
thing, so you had a change in the situation, although generally many
of the political operators were very, very cautious about anybody who
came from the past into this thing, your background.
What do you mean?
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