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By the way, of people on the post, the only name person I can remember was Emmanuel Muravchik, the head of the Jewish Labor Committee. He knew the name Foner. Anyway, but my records were there. People in the headquarters, they knew who I was.

You didn't have any of this discrimination because you were a so- called premature anti-Fascist?

No. Only that first job. Because, remember, I was out of sight of anything. Nothing was happening there. Then an order came down that all people who had had disks removed were to be discharged from the Army because the experience was very, very bad, the figures showed that they would have to have another operation. I was discharged with a pension. It was 30%. It was then cut to 10%, and I never complained. I could have kept the 30%. I still get a 10% disability pension. So I came out and eventually got involved in unions.

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So now you're becoming more active in the trade unions.

I'm playing in the band because I don't have a job, I come back. I don't go back there, there's no job there. I come out of the Army, and the job I get is through a friend of mine, Hy Wolf, whose brother is very wealthy and in the woolen business, in the garment industry. They're making a fortune selling woolen goods, because they have access to woolens. Hy Wolf was hired by his brother into his own company, Valerie Maid. I know Hy. Hy's wife, Arlene, was a Hunter College student, that's where I knew them from. Hy gets me a job in his shop, and what I'm doing, I'm picking things off hangers and packing them and shipping them. I'm making like seventeen, twenty dollars a week, and he's passing money to me on the side, because they're making money hand and fist. He's giving me five dollars here and eight dollars there. And we're living in Flushing with my in-laws after the war. We lived there for about a year, and then we get an apartment, and then my first child is born.

Then I'm playing in the band on a Lincoln's birthday weekend in Arrowhead Lodge again.

'45 or '46?

'46, probably.

The war is over.