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The war is over, yes. '46. I'm sure it's '46. I'm playing in the
band, and a guest there is Nick Carnes, president of Local 1250,
department store union. I think I'd told you I had given courses for
department store unions. I still was doing one or two after the war,
too, so he knew me. In the intermission, Nick comes to me, and he
says, “How would you like to be education director for Local 1250?”
I said, “Are you sure you need a full-time?”
He said, “Yes. Local 5, Sterns, will cover part of it. I'd like you to think
about it.” I think to myself, “I'm going to do it because he's a
musician. He plays the guitar, but he's studying the sax.” He says, “If
you take the job, we can play duets.”
And so I take the job, and I am the education director for Local 1250,
which is outside the AFL-CIO, it's part of the unions that had been
kicked out of the CIO.
They hadn't been kicked out at that point.
Give me a year. When were they kicked out?
The purge of the CIO unions was not until 1949.
That was before '49. They are independent, they are part of the
Distributive Trades Council. Oh, they had left the Wolchock
International. There was a fight there, a left-right fight, and they left.
It's before the others are kicked out. So we are independent, and
we're being raided by Amalgamated Clothing workers, which has tried
to get in department stores at the request of the CIO. We withstand
You represent workers where?
We represent workers in stores all of which have disappeared.
In fact, I have the Midas touch. Hearn's, Namm's, Loeser's,
Oppenheim-Collins, Norton's, every single one of those stores
disappeared. I was there during the Taft-Hartley affidavit period. What
year is that?
The Taft-Hartley Act was passed in 1948.
I'm there before that. Maybe I don't get there until '47. It could
be that I don't get there til '47. I'd have to find out. It's easy for me to
figure that out. So I'm in the union doing education classes, putting
out a bulletin, leaflets, that kind of thing, and then I get an idea,
because we have a loose council of all the department store unions,
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