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Now the RW [RWDSU] is in or out?
It's in. [tape interrupted] See, what's interesting here is that
remember, you've got now this being given out by the management,
and really the same thing being given out by the RWDSU.
What we're looking at are two very slick pieces of red-baiting
literature, two colors, fancily produced, that were distributed at the
time of these various fights. So when 1250 comes into 65 in 1950 --
It's about the time we're all out. We come in and form the
Distributive Trades Council. And 1250 gets --
Which is a part of the RWDSU?
No, no, no, no.
It's independent. We're independent. 1250 maintains its
From the RW?
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After a while--I don't have the dates on this--there is a
department store council inside there, but the numbers now are
erased, and it's you're just part of 65.
And 65 is independent?
Is independent, yes.
It had left before 1250 comes in?
They all left at the same time. They worked together. Whether
they left before I came in, it's hard for me to say.
What's happening here, explain exactly, the RW --
The RW is attempting to take the members back from the locals
they're with and to stay with the CIO. They do it by administering
trusteeships. In each case, the trustees are not permitted by the
workers to even come into the headquarters, so the trustees have to
operate from the offices of the RWDSU. The unions secede, and
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