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The person who represented them in the last election -- I think she was in their party -- got .0008, which is considerably less than one percent. (laughs)

In reference to Robert Morgenthau: first of all, I think you've made pretty clear that he was rather reticent in public. Is his demeanor really almost shy? He seems to have a little trouble...

Relating to people?

... relating to people or meeting them in groups or anything?

Well, let me tell you a little bit about Bob Morgenthau. I happen to like him very much, and I'm sorry that he's now caught up in this Nadjari-Carey imbroglio, because he cannot come out ahead and neither can Carey. I've taken a position on that, which we can talk about if you'd like. But in any event, Morgenthau in personal conversation with people that he knows if an extremely nice person, very voluble, very interesting, just a very good guy. My relationship with him goes back to the events preceding the Knapp Commission. I knew him long before that, but something happened which I'll tell you about now concerning him and the Knapp Commission.

He had been appointed as the deputy mayor by Lindsay, and he was to be in charge of corruption of some kind. And David Durk and Frank Serpico were good friends of mine.