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or simultaneously with the series, and in effect he was muting the effect of an attack upon the Lindsay administration for having tolerated corruption in the police department and not having done anything for... I don't know... six or seven years. Burnham was very upset with that disclosure of his article.

Now, that's all I think I can tell you about Morgenthau in that context. Anything else I can tell you about Morgenthau?

Did you have anything to do with his gubernatorial campaign or bringing him up as a candidate for governor?

No. He was a terrible candidate for governor. I don't know when that was -- ‘62 or ‘66. It was probably ‘66, but I don't really remember. In any event, the person who was responsible for that was Alex Rose. And Alex Rose's quote (which I've never seen in print) when he was asked, “How could you run a guy like Morgenthau?” because he was such a bad candidate in terms of projecting himself and the ability to present himself to an audience, Rose's response was: “Who should expect that a U.S. attorney can't talk?” (laughs) It's funny in a way. He's better as the years went by. He wasn't terribly good as a candidate, but the Morgenthau name is just magic. It's like the Wagner name. When I took Bobby around (Bobby, Jr., who ran for councilman-at-large), everybody knows the name Wagner. And again I would say as I walked with him and introduced him