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to people: “This is Bobby Wagner. You know the name.” And they'd say, “Oh, yes, I know your father” or “I knew your grandfather.” It was that way all up and down the east side of Manhattan. I think even some of them thought he was his father. (laughs) I mean I had the feeling some of them were saying, “What, you're running again for mayor?” or councilman or whatever.

And he was about how old at this time?

I think 28.

Yes, not yet 30. Just for the record, could you identify David Durk and Frank Serpico?

Yes, David Durk is a police officer, a detective, who worked with Frank Serpico, who was another detective, and they were the ones who uncovered the police corruption in the city of New York which led to the appointment of the Knapp Commission.

Serpico subsequently resigned from the force didn't he?

Well, he was injured. He was shot while arresting a dope dealer, and the thought at that time was maybe he was shot by the cops, who hated him because he had already surfaced as the guy who was blowing the whistle on corruption in the police department.