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name.” Oh, he was yelling, he was screaming. That afternoon
the check was delivered. That's Arthur Levitt.
Now, in the race in '61 what I thought was so ridiculous
was the way he let himself be maneuvered and handled by Carmine
DeSapio. There was a line which appeared in the New York Times
after the devastating debacle for Levitt in that he lost in
which he was quoted as saying, “I went wherever Carmine told
me to go and I said whatever Carmine wanted me to say.” That's
paraphrased but it's very close to what it was, because it
shocked me. How can a guy, even if he did, say that he,
controller of the state of New York, in the campaign -- and
I'm not suggesting that Arthur Levitt isn't an excellent public
servant. He is. He's too old -- I hope he doesn't run again.
It would be shocking if he did. He's too old. He's performed
marvelously as controller of the state.
I had a conversation with him about his son. His son
is a young guy, a very attractive fellow who is in the stock
market, who would be a good candidate -- Arthur Levitt, Jr.
He supports me occasionally in various ways with money, and I
said to Arthur one day: “Arthur, why don't you get your son to
run for something?” And he said, “I wish he would, but he spends
so much money on living...” In other words, it was this cry,
so to speak, of a father's heart about his son who was living
wastefully from his point of view. But I like them both; I
like them both.
I think in connection with your anecdote, I recall hearing
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