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and had a cast on his leg and this cane, begins to yell and sort of approach Stanley: “Throw him out! Throw him out!” And Geller says, “If you take one more step in my direction, I'm going to break your other leg.” (laughs) When you think about it; grown men, political people -- it's a joke.

Well, J. Raymond Jones decided based on the advice given him by the other district leaders that if they removed us, as they might, and there was another election -- we'd cream them, because we were going to run again. The fact is that we were heroes, Carol and I. Here we were being tortured by Tammany Hall. What could be nicer?

So they decide that it's not to their advantage to remove us as district leaders. Instead, they decide that they will reprimand us and censure us and also subsequently pass a new rule, which didn't exist at that time, that if you endorse a candidate other than someone in the party and you were district leader, that you could be removed or may be automatically removed -- I can't remember what the rule was -- but it became known as the Koch Rule: that you would either by removed automatically or that 51% by way of a vote of a district leader could remove you whereas prior to that it had been that you needed a two-thirds vote to remove somebody as district leader if you were brought up on charges. That was in the