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rules. So they changed the rule. It now could be 51% if the charge was and it was established that you had publicly crossed party lines and endorsed a candidate of another party for a public office.

I couldn't stop them and I didn't do anything and they didn't ask my permission to do this, and they dropped the charges. And then we walk out -- J. Raymond Jones, who was a lion of a man, I must say. He had a head physically that was like an Olmec statue. That's the closest approximation I can bring you to it, an incredibly towering personality; and he also had a special kind of an accent that came from the West Indies. He's West Indian. And he went back there. He and his wife live down there someplace -- I don't know where. So we come out, and he's interviewed by television. I think it was Gabe Pressman. They don't invite me, but I just stand next to him when they're having this interview. And he's coming on very strong: “Yes, we have censured them. We've told them that if they ever do this again, they are going to be removed.” And then Gabe Pressman shoved the mike into my face and says, “Isn't it fact now, Mr. Koch, that you've been censured and you'll never do it again?” I said, “No, that's not a fact. Under the same circumstances, I'll do it again!” (laughs) It was really funny. I mean Jones was fit to be tied. Okay.