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I did not vote for you; and after I tell you, then it's over with as far as I'm concerned -- and I hope it's also so far as you're concerned. I did not vote for you, Percy, because I could not forgive your statement [whenever it was, in '62 or '63] when you said that those of us, and I was one of them, who would not vote for your brother for councilman at large, that if we didn't vote for your brother, we were racists. I will not tolerate that attack upon me. But now I've squared it so far as I'm concerned by not voting for you. I'd like to be friends. He said, “I'd like to be friends, too,” and we have become friends in a way. He's been to my house for dinner and we've exchanged reminiscences. The fact is he came to dinner maybe a year or so ago with his wife and he stayed until about three o'clock in the morning. We had a really terrific dinner. I like to have small dinners at my house -- a total of eight people -- and we drink a lot of wine: eight people, 11 bottles. That's my goal. So everybody gets really very high, and he stayed until three o'clock in the morning. He said, I've never stayed to a party till three o'clock in the morning.” And in the course of the party, he said, “You know, my brother is in Moscow -- he's a Communist -- and my nephew is a waiter in Moscow.” It was really nice. It was an intimate kind of discussion, if you will. He's the son of parents who had 15 children, and a lot of them are quite successful. I like him.

I saw him once on television early in his career, and he in